Comments for Miriam Posner's Blog http://miriamposner.com/blog Digital humanities, electronic research, and academic culture, from a skeptical enthusiast Sat, 12 May 2012 18:22:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 Comment on The digital humanities postdoc by Miriam http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1219&cpage=1#comment-37423 Miriam Sat, 12 May 2012 18:22:25 +0000 http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1219#comment-37423 Chris, thanks so much for posting. It's so useful to hear the employer's perspective, and to begin to understand the bind you're in, too. I do believe (though many may disagree) that postdocs can provide a useful, mutually beneficial function, particularly for Ph.D.s who are transitioning from traditional academic training to other kinds of careers. Since we don't get this kind of training in grad school, it makes a lot of sense to give young Ph.D.s the chance to try their hand at something new for a few years, with appropriate guidance and mentorship. It does seem to me, though, that there's a difference between what you're describing — a discrete project with a well-defined role for a Ph.D. — and some of the more ill-conceived job ads I see. The bind that some of these postdocs find themselves in when they finish up is that, on the one hand, permanent staff jobs for Ph.D.s are not appearing at the same rate as postdocs. And on the other hand, by taking a postdoc that's basically a staff position, Ph.D.s have excluded themselves from eligibility for regular faculty jobs because they have nothing to point to — no book, no articles, no nothing — to explain what they've done over the last couple years. I think defining a role on a project, something important and meaningful, with a nice title, could make a big difference for postdocs by helping them to explain what they've been doing to future employers. On Twitter, you said you were concerned that the library might not employ Ph.D.s who could mentor postdocs, but I don't see why a mentor has to be a Ph.D. I've really valued the advice and assistance I've gotten from people within the library. And I wonder, too, if a mentoring relationship might be arranged with a faculty member outside the library, who could help the postdoc maintain ties with the academic community and, at the very least, invite the postdoc to departmental events. What a difference this would make! I don't think we need to monitor the quality of postdocs so much to protect the precious Ph.D.s as to protect the quality of academic labor in general. I think it sets a dangerous precedent for libraries to have disposable employees rotating in and out, with or without mentorship or places to go afterward. Chris, thanks so much for posting. It’s so useful to hear the employer’s perspective, and to begin to understand the bind you’re in, too. I do believe (though many may disagree) that postdocs can provide a useful, mutually beneficial function, particularly for Ph.D.s who are transitioning from traditional academic training to other kinds of careers. Since we don’t get this kind of training in grad school, it makes a lot of sense to give young Ph.D.s the chance to try their hand at something new for a few years, with appropriate guidance and mentorship.

It does seem to me, though, that there’s a difference between what you’re describing — a discrete project with a well-defined role for a Ph.D. — and some of the more ill-conceived job ads I see. The bind that some of these postdocs find themselves in when they finish up is that, on the one hand, permanent staff jobs for Ph.D.s are not appearing at the same rate as postdocs. And on the other hand, by taking a postdoc that’s basically a staff position, Ph.D.s have excluded themselves from eligibility for regular faculty jobs because they have nothing to point to — no book, no articles, no nothing — to explain what they’ve done over the last couple years. I think defining a role on a project, something important and meaningful, with a nice title, could make a big difference for postdocs by helping them to explain what they’ve been doing to future employers.

On Twitter, you said you were concerned that the library might not employ Ph.D.s who could mentor postdocs, but I don’t see why a mentor has to be a Ph.D. I’ve really valued the advice and assistance I’ve gotten from people within the library. And I wonder, too, if a mentoring relationship might be arranged with a faculty member outside the library, who could help the postdoc maintain ties with the academic community and, at the very least, invite the postdoc to departmental events. What a difference this would make!

I don’t think we need to monitor the quality of postdocs so much to protect the precious Ph.D.s as to protect the quality of academic labor in general. I think it sets a dangerous precedent for libraries to have disposable employees rotating in and out, with or without mentorship or places to go afterward.

]]> Comment on The digital humanities postdoc by Chris Bourg http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1219&cpage=1#comment-37333 Chris Bourg Fri, 11 May 2012 15:43:49 +0000 http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1219#comment-37333 Excellent post and lots of great points. And ... from the point of view of an administrator in a large research library, I have to admit that I'm not sure what to do. We want to make the positions permanent too, but we can't do that if we don't have the funding. We have to abide by the University's HR policies about posting jobs when they convert from temporary to permanent, and no amount of bargaining on you the part of the "post-doc" is going to change that. And I can't very well provide a "post-doc" with time off for their own research, and extra professional travel if my budget doesn't allow me to do that for the rest of my professional staff. That said, we (the royal "we", meaning lots of research libraries) often have great projects, with short-term funding, that would be ideal (from our point of view) for new PhD. I like to think the work would likewise be rewarding in lots of ways for a new PhD. How do we make these jobs attractive? I get why we shouldn't call them "Post-docs"; and in fact, we (the specific "we") haven't ever done that (to my knowledge). But it is tempting, because we know that calling it a "post-doc" makes it more attractive and makes it look better on the CV when the position ends and the person goes back on the market. So, what do we do? (As I write this, I realize the answer is probably to simply be as honest and clear in the job announcement as possible, and trust that the right match will happen ...which is what we do.) Excellent post and lots of great points. And … from the point of view of an administrator in a large research library, I have to admit that I’m not sure what to do. We want to make the positions permanent too, but we can’t do that if we don’t have the funding. We have to abide by the University’s HR policies about posting jobs when they convert from temporary to permanent, and no amount of bargaining on you the part of the “post-doc” is going to change that. And I can’t very well provide a “post-doc” with time off for their own research, and extra professional travel if my budget doesn’t allow me to do that for the rest of my professional staff.
That said, we (the royal “we”, meaning lots of research libraries) often have great projects, with short-term funding, that would be ideal (from our point of view) for new PhD. I like to think the work would likewise be rewarding in lots of ways for a new PhD. How do we make these jobs attractive? I get why we shouldn’t call them “Post-docs”; and in fact, we (the specific “we”) haven’t ever done that (to my knowledge). But it is tempting, because we know that calling it a “post-doc” makes it more attractive and makes it look better on the CV when the position ends and the person goes back on the market.
So, what do we do?
(As I write this, I realize the answer is probably to simply be as honest and clear in the job announcement as possible, and trust that the right match will happen …which is what we do.)

]]> Comment on The digital humanities postdoc by Carole Meyers http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1219&cpage=1#comment-37119 Carole Meyers Wed, 09 May 2012 15:38:51 +0000 http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1219#comment-37119 In addition to the professional development mentioned here, I would make a strong case for more generalized personal development, including training in organizational dynamics, personality assessment, team building, leadership development, and interpersonal conflict resolution. At Emory, we use the Birkman Method a lot on the administrative side of things and I frequently find myself wishing that the academic side were more open to such tools. They can be helpful in promoting self-understanding, in putting names to behaviors, and in specifically calling out stress behaviors. As a supervisor, it helps you to understand how your staff are motivated and what they need from you to be happy and productive. If you may make the leap to the IT side of a shop, knowledge of service management (we use ITIL) is increasingly a marketable skill. In addition to the professional development mentioned here, I would make a strong case for more generalized personal development, including training in organizational dynamics, personality assessment, team building, leadership development, and interpersonal conflict resolution. At Emory, we use the Birkman Method a lot on the administrative side of things and I frequently find myself wishing that the academic side were more open to such tools. They can be helpful in promoting self-understanding, in putting names to behaviors, and in specifically calling out stress behaviors. As a supervisor, it helps you to understand how your staff are motivated and what they need from you to be happy and productive.

If you may make the leap to the IT side of a shop, knowledge of service management (we use ITIL) is increasingly a marketable skill.

]]> Comment on The digital humanities postdoc by Miriam http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1219&cpage=1#comment-36945 Miriam Mon, 07 May 2012 17:38:48 +0000 http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1219#comment-36945 Totally agree, Kimon. Great point. Totally agree, Kimon. Great point.

]]> Comment on The digital humanities postdoc by Kimon Keramidas http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1219&cpage=1#comment-36943 Kimon Keramidas Mon, 07 May 2012 17:12:35 +0000 http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1219#comment-36943 I've got another solution. Make those positions real and permanent. Like mine. You can do a lot more if your position has that sense of permanence, as you can really impart institutional change and set things into motion over a longer term. We just had our outgoing class presentations, and out of fifteen students, one was a completely digital-born Flash-designed project and 3 of which were interesting uses of Prezi. Those projects drummed up some serious interest from even our most skeptical faculty, many of which subsequently told me they either wanted to spend more time with the digital-born project, learn how to use Prezi, or expand the use of the digital in their own work. I have been here three years now and it has taken that amount of time to not only build momentum in our institution, but also to create relationships with faculty where they are more comfortable taking risks and exposing themselves. If two-year termed people had come and gone, I don't think we would be making the kind of progress or instilling the kind of buy-in we have. Also the students from one cohort to another are influencing each other, and they can tell one another about experiences they have with me over time, increasing their risk taking as well, which is particularly important because it really is students who will drive this kind of evolution in graduate programs like ours. You can't build those kinds of relationships and instill a sense of institutional commitment if the second half of your postdoc is spent looking for your next job. I’ve got another solution. Make those positions real and permanent. Like mine. You can do a lot more if your position has that sense of permanence, as you can really impart institutional change and set things into motion over a longer term.

We just had our outgoing class presentations, and out of fifteen students, one was a completely digital-born Flash-designed project and 3 of which were interesting uses of Prezi. Those projects drummed up some serious interest from even our most skeptical faculty, many of which subsequently told me they either wanted to spend more time with the digital-born project, learn how to use Prezi, or expand the use of the digital in their own work. I have been here three years now and it has taken that amount of time to not only build momentum in our institution, but also to create relationships with faculty where they are more comfortable taking risks and exposing themselves. If two-year termed people had come and gone, I don’t think we would be making the kind of progress or instilling the kind of buy-in we have. Also the students from one cohort to another are influencing each other, and they can tell one another about experiences they have with me over time, increasing their risk taking as well, which is particularly important because it really is students who will drive this kind of evolution in graduate programs like ours. You can’t build those kinds of relationships and instill a sense of institutional commitment if the second half of your postdoc is spent looking for your next job.

]]> Comment on The digital humanities postdoc by Miriam http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1219&cpage=1#comment-36936 Miriam Mon, 07 May 2012 15:38:07 +0000 http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1219#comment-36936 Please do, BC! Please do, BC!

]]> Comment on The digital humanities postdoc by Brian Croxall http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1219&cpage=1#comment-36935 Brian Croxall Mon, 07 May 2012 15:37:16 +0000 http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1219#comment-36935 Well put, Miriam. What you're articulating here is what I've taken to calling "the postdoc problem" in my mind. The problem with postdocs is that they are proliferating while permanent positions for these post-ies are not. I think I've got a bit too much to say about this for just a comment. I'll try to follow-up with a real post soon. Well put, Miriam. What you’re articulating here is what I’ve taken to calling “the postdoc problem” in my mind. The problem with postdocs is that they are proliferating while permanent positions for these post-ies are not.

I think I’ve got a bit too much to say about this for just a comment. I’ll try to follow-up with a real post soon.

]]> Comment on Reading Steve Jobs: labor, race, and growing up in the Bay Area by Miriam http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1008&cpage=1#comment-35905 Miriam Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:16:39 +0000 http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1008#comment-35905 Thank you, Toby! This is a terrific suggestion — adding it! And I will definitely keep you posted if I end up teaching the class. Thank you, Toby! This is a terrific suggestion — adding it! And I will definitely keep you posted if I end up teaching the class.

]]> Comment on Reading Steve Jobs: labor, race, and growing up in the Bay Area by Toby Higbie http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1008&cpage=1#comment-35896 Toby Higbie Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:59:17 +0000 http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1008#comment-35896 Fascinating and insightful post, Miriam! Thanks also for the reading list. Let me know if you do offer the course for undergrads. Our Labor Studies students would likely be very interested. One film you might find interesting is "Sleep Dealer." It's a border/migration story in which the maquilladora workers remotely operate robot construction workers and nannies in the U.S. Fascinating and insightful post, Miriam! Thanks also for the reading list. Let me know if you do offer the course for undergrads. Our Labor Studies students would likely be very interested. One film you might find interesting is “Sleep Dealer.” It’s a border/migration story in which the maquilladora workers remotely operate robot construction workers and nannies in the U.S.

]]> Comment on Things we share by …and then the Herokulypse - Alex Gil | Alex Gil http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1141&cpage=1#comment-35804 …and then the Herokulypse - Alex Gil | Alex Gil Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:54:34 +0000 http://miriamposner.com/blog/?p=1141#comment-35804 [...] found the lesson timely at a moment when we are debating the obstacles and affordances of coding for digital humanities. The experience with the Herokulypse really [...] [...] found the lesson timely at a moment when we are debating the obstacles and affordances of coding for digital humanities. The experience with the Herokulypse really [...]

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